This surprises me as I thought that BMW was better positioned than some automakers to fully transition to electric offerings.
justinreddit1
I’m all for EVs and own one myself, but this global push/effort to mandate EVs at the timeframe they want is unrealistic. Not just Europe but in Canada and other places as well. The semantics is just too grand to get it done in time.
Screamingmonkey83
legacy car makers are going to face a harsh reality. The electric vehicle adoption is going to skyrocket worldwide coming next year. They just want to create a save haven for their cashcow ICE-vehicles. Because they know the chinese market where they earn their money now is changing too fast for them to adapt. Electric is better for everyone execpt for the leagcy carmakers. Someone is going to sell those electric vehicles in 2030 but i doubt it will be VW mercedes or BMW.
If you want to help the european car makers, push them even further, they are not used to changes. You have to make them change otherwise they will become irrelevant.
OverlyOptimisticNerd
There are companies successfully making the transition, and companies that are not. Any extension of the ICE ban is a de facto bailout of those latter companies.
Let them fail.
Maximilianne
It shouldn’t be a problem because the ban applies to everyone wanting to sell in the EU and since Chinese cars are getting tariffed, BMW just needs to be better than other non Chinese automakers if they want to keep the European cash cow
mellowwirzard
bmw cannot make proper petrol neither electric cars
FANGO
It’s true, 2035 isn’t realistic. Should be 2030.
deg0ey
>the BMW CEO now says that the ICE ban is “no longer realistic” because EV sales are much lower than expected, and subsidies for EVs are “unsustainable,”
This argument seems particularly silly. It doesn’t matter whether EV sales are lower than expected *today* – if the mandate requires 100% of cars to be electric at some point in the future then EV sales will rise because there won’t be an alternative.
Seems like what he actually means is “a lot of people still want to buy ICE and we’d like to keep selling them” – in which case tough shit.
Redi3s
Too much greed makes it “no longer realistic.”
I mean, what will shareholders do if they don’t trash the world for a few extra bucks?
NtheLegend
You mean, it’s “no longer as profitable.”
wootnootlol
No longer? It was never realistic (and yes, I’m an EV owner and won’t buy ICE)
upL8N8
Instead they think it’s better to ban all car sales after 2035? Aye, good on you BMW!
/s
SpaceTheFinalFrontir
I’m visiting Italy right now, there are barely any EVs here I’ve seen 3 Tesla’s in 10 days, some Citroen Ami, but very few BEVs less than 1 in 200 I would guess
Ok-Concentrate943
China is already doing it
iqisoverrated
BMW keeps flip-flopping more than someone wearing flip-flops.
Get in gear and start shaping the future instead of clinging to the past!
2CommaNoob
Of course; BMW wants more subsidies to build more EVs. Everyone wants a free handout these days and why not?
It’s time for UBI. We are rich enough for it
EaglesPDX
He means BMW is not prepared. China will be happy to step in and provide the EV’s at lower prices if BMW wants to get out of the auto industry. It is more important that we reduce greenhouse gas emissions that threaten civilization that it is to preserve jobs and industry that choose not to make the products we need.
TheBendit
In places where people can afford electric vehicles, like Norway and China and California, they buy electric vehicles. The less affluent places are catching up as EV prices come down.
If BMW feels that their target markets in EU are Romania and Bulgaria that is fine, but it will probably involve some serious cost cutting. It is certainly a major change of direction for the company.
UnevenHeathen
Throwing out a requirement without also committing to building/taxing the infrastructure to support it is the problem.
Sad_Reindeer7860
EV sales are crashing. They’re not wrong.
enfuego138
Given how far EVs and supporting infrastructure have come in the last five years, imagine how much progress will be made in the next ten? Backing off at this point, ten years away from the deadline, just gives manufacturers an excuse to stop finding new tech.
OVERPAIR123
Same time they lose nearly all sales in China hhhmmmm coincidence.
HickAzn
Translation: ICE bans will cost BMW money and adversely impact their stock price.
Redararis
Allowing people to keep their ICE cars due to economic difficulties is the right thing to do.
Allowing automakers to continue selling ICE cars simply to maintain their profits is unacceptable.
Crenorz
boomer logic. They are simi correct – it is not realistic for BMW – at all. It is just fine for others.
Azzaphox
pfft. scaremongering. wants to keep selling pollution.
ttystikk
BMW is attempting to manipulate the nether and the German government.
The fact is that Chinese EV makers have already proven beyond any reasonable doubt that electric cars are the future and those who cling to ICE technology are making a very risky short term gamble with a long term guarantee of failure.
Warm_Butterscotch_97
The only unrealistic thing is adapting to our of control climate change
Deepweight7
What’s no longer realistic is legacy’s auto ICE plans and how they planned to milk it and delay the transition as much as possible
StrivingToBeDecent
Some horse corral owner probably said the same thing when they were transitioning over to ice vehicles.
BlackReddition
It might help if BMW actually made good looking cars but EV is definitely the future.
Speculawyer
Coward.
No, that’s not right…. he’s a greedy coward.
Thormeaxozarliplon
Stopping global warming no longer realistic.
Who was it that said we would be the only species to go extinct because saving ourselves isn’t cost effective?
Amareisdk
It’s always about sales.
BMW think that high sales numbers mean that we are transitioning. They didn’t consider that EVs have been more expensive so people will hold on to them longer.
Please stop constantly buying new cars. This is the worst pollution and will pollute much more than exhaust. Kill the sales instead.
NewAbbreviations1872
He is right. The way mass market is going for EVs the ban could easily be implemented much sooner in a phase wise manner. A single strike in 2035 makes less sense. It would be better to add 50% carbon tax on ICE, instead of bans. Starting with 50% tax on ICE cars that cost more than 40k in 2027, then trickling down to MRP 30k cars or more in 2030. 50% Tax on ICE with MRP 25k or more in 2033, and 50% tax on all ICE in 2035.
Doublestack00
1000% agree, going 100% EV is still unrealistic in such a short time,
Capable_Spring3295
Finally some good news. These useless batteries on wheels are just waste of resources. Normal car with normal engine will drive for 20 years in Europe and another 20 outside Europe. These ev shits die after 6-7 years and they die for good.
sev3791
It is unrealistic and a complete fallacy to put all your marbles into only electric vehicle ownership.
SomeoneRandom007
“BMW announce that their BEV sales are not going well and they are not competitive with Chinese vehicles.”
slamdaniels
Won’t need a ban once cost parity is reached in a couple years
Last_Hunt3r
I don’t even get this discussion. If ICEs are banned people have to buy EVs, it’s not like they would stop buying cars. Especially big companies which switch cars every 3 years or so will buy EVs.
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This surprises me as I thought that BMW was better positioned than some automakers to fully transition to electric offerings.
I’m all for EVs and own one myself, but this global push/effort to mandate EVs at the timeframe they want is unrealistic. Not just Europe but in Canada and other places as well. The semantics is just too grand to get it done in time.
legacy car makers are going to face a harsh reality. The electric vehicle adoption is going to skyrocket worldwide coming next year. They just want to create a save haven for their cashcow ICE-vehicles. Because they know the chinese market where they earn their money now is changing too fast for them to adapt. Electric is better for everyone execpt for the leagcy carmakers. Someone is going to sell those electric vehicles in 2030 but i doubt it will be VW mercedes or BMW.
If you want to help the european car makers, push them even further, they are not used to changes. You have to make them change otherwise they will become irrelevant.
There are companies successfully making the transition, and companies that are not. Any extension of the ICE ban is a de facto bailout of those latter companies.
Let them fail.
It shouldn’t be a problem because the ban applies to everyone wanting to sell in the EU and since Chinese cars are getting tariffed, BMW just needs to be better than other non Chinese automakers if they want to keep the European cash cow
bmw cannot make proper petrol neither electric cars
It’s true, 2035 isn’t realistic. Should be 2030.
>the BMW CEO now says that the ICE ban is “no longer realistic” because EV sales are much lower than expected, and subsidies for EVs are “unsustainable,”
This argument seems particularly silly. It doesn’t matter whether EV sales are lower than expected *today* – if the mandate requires 100% of cars to be electric at some point in the future then EV sales will rise because there won’t be an alternative.
Seems like what he actually means is “a lot of people still want to buy ICE and we’d like to keep selling them” – in which case tough shit.
Too much greed makes it “no longer realistic.”
I mean, what will shareholders do if they don’t trash the world for a few extra bucks?
You mean, it’s “no longer as profitable.”
No longer? It was never realistic (and yes, I’m an EV owner and won’t buy ICE)
Instead they think it’s better to ban all car sales after 2035? Aye, good on you BMW!
/s
I’m visiting Italy right now, there are barely any EVs here I’ve seen 3 Tesla’s in 10 days, some Citroen Ami, but very few BEVs less than 1 in 200 I would guess
China is already doing it
BMW keeps flip-flopping more than someone wearing flip-flops.
Get in gear and start shaping the future instead of clinging to the past!
Of course; BMW wants more subsidies to build more EVs. Everyone wants a free handout these days and why not?
It’s time for UBI. We are rich enough for it
He means BMW is not prepared. China will be happy to step in and provide the EV’s at lower prices if BMW wants to get out of the auto industry. It is more important that we reduce greenhouse gas emissions that threaten civilization that it is to preserve jobs and industry that choose not to make the products we need.
In places where people can afford electric vehicles, like Norway and China and California, they buy electric vehicles. The less affluent places are catching up as EV prices come down.
If BMW feels that their target markets in EU are Romania and Bulgaria that is fine, but it will probably involve some serious cost cutting. It is certainly a major change of direction for the company.
Throwing out a requirement without also committing to building/taxing the infrastructure to support it is the problem.
EV sales are crashing. They’re not wrong.
Given how far EVs and supporting infrastructure have come in the last five years, imagine how much progress will be made in the next ten? Backing off at this point, ten years away from the deadline, just gives manufacturers an excuse to stop finding new tech.
Same time they lose nearly all sales in China hhhmmmm coincidence.
Translation: ICE bans will cost BMW money and adversely impact their stock price.
Allowing people to keep their ICE cars due to economic difficulties is the right thing to do.
Allowing automakers to continue selling ICE cars simply to maintain their profits is unacceptable.
boomer logic. They are simi correct – it is not realistic for BMW – at all. It is just fine for others.
pfft. scaremongering. wants to keep selling pollution.
BMW is attempting to manipulate the nether and the German government.
The fact is that Chinese EV makers have already proven beyond any reasonable doubt that electric cars are the future and those who cling to ICE technology are making a very risky short term gamble with a long term guarantee of failure.
The only unrealistic thing is adapting to our of control climate change
What’s no longer realistic is legacy’s auto ICE plans and how they planned to milk it and delay the transition as much as possible
Some horse corral owner probably said the same thing when they were transitioning over to ice vehicles.
It might help if BMW actually made good looking cars but EV is definitely the future.
Coward.
No, that’s not right…. he’s a greedy coward.
Stopping global warming no longer realistic.
Who was it that said we would be the only species to go extinct because saving ourselves isn’t cost effective?
It’s always about sales.
BMW think that high sales numbers mean that we are transitioning. They didn’t consider that EVs have been more expensive so people will hold on to them longer.
Please stop constantly buying new cars. This is the worst pollution and will pollute much more than exhaust. Kill the sales instead.
He is right. The way mass market is going for EVs the ban could easily be implemented much sooner in a phase wise manner. A single strike in 2035 makes less sense. It would be better to add 50% carbon tax on ICE, instead of bans. Starting with 50% tax on ICE cars that cost more than 40k in 2027, then trickling down to MRP 30k cars or more in 2030. 50% Tax on ICE with MRP 25k or more in 2033, and 50% tax on all ICE in 2035.
1000% agree, going 100% EV is still unrealistic in such a short time,
Finally some good news. These useless batteries on wheels are just waste of resources. Normal car with normal engine will drive for 20 years in Europe and another 20 outside Europe. These ev shits die after 6-7 years and they die for good.
It is unrealistic and a complete fallacy to put all your marbles into only electric vehicle ownership.
“BMW announce that their BEV sales are not going well and they are not competitive with Chinese vehicles.”
Won’t need a ban once cost parity is reached in a couple years
I don’t even get this discussion. If ICEs are banned people have to buy EVs, it’s not like they would stop buying cars. Especially big companies which switch cars every 3 years or so will buy EVs.