In other words not commercially viable before 2030. Makes sense.
kenypowa
Toyota and their mythical SSB. Always coming in 5 years since 2010.
deppaotoko
Idemitsu, a supplier of solid-state electrolytes, is in the business launch phase starting in 2026, with mass production set to begin in 2030, so the supply in the 2020s will be extremely limited.
AtomGalaxy
I work in public transit on electrifying heavy duty buses. I was recently at a conference and someone mentioned hybrid batteries, as in battery modules with multiple chemistries. A heavy duty bus will have up to 689 kWh total capacity in up to seven separate modules.
What if two of those modules were solid state batteries (fastest charging, higher energy density, expensive) and the rest were LFP (lower energy density, cheap, long lasting)? The solid state batteries would be for on route opportunity charging. The LFP batteries would slow charge at the depot over night when the utility rates are lower.
Add to this a [linear generator](https://spectrum.ieee.org/mainspring-energy) range extender running on biofuel and you’ve solved range anxiety in cold weather. This could also work for long range over the road coaches and trucks.
menjay28
So Toyota may start selling EV’s in 6 years. Great!
Comfortable_Baby_66
Just more bullshit by Toyota to try and delay EV adoption
China will mass produce a SSB before them and do it at lower cost.
theavatare
Pretty cool. Hope it works out. I find having multiple technologies on key infrastructure be beneficial
Pro_JaredC
Hopefully these batteries of theirs convinces them that wasting Billions on Hydrogen Fuel cell is not a smart investment.
redbits
Why do they have to have government approval?
_extra_medium_
Better late than never
deppaotoko
[Toyota’s press release ](https://global.toyota/jp/newsroom/corporate/41058141.html)only lists the timeline as follows: 1. PPES Toyota’s next-gen battery (performance version), 2. PPEV Toyota’s next-gen battery (performance version), and 3. Solid-state battery, all starting sequentially from 2026. It does not state that solid-state battery production will begin in 2026. In fact, at the Technical Workshop in June 2023, they mentioned that solid-state battery implementation would be from 2027 to 2028, so it’s likely the actual implementation will be in 2028.
justvims
Toyota sucks
duke_of_alinor
Toyota still pushing for better hybrids. BEVs will not have much benefit from this tech even if it was available for mass production now.
Another thought is about how many battery breakthroughs have not made it into cars.
AMLRoss
Hope these batteries make electric bikes more viable. My CE04 is a great bike but lacks range due to the smaller battery. Anything heavier would make the bike difficult to handle. So the only other way is to make batteries more efficient and energy dense.
VTAffordablePaintbal
I’d like to be excited about this news, but I’ve been holding my breath since they first announced it in 2014, and sadly, I died.
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they are making a SSB hybrid lmao.
Into the trash it goes.
In other words not commercially viable before 2030. Makes sense.
Toyota and their mythical SSB. Always coming in 5 years since 2010.
Idemitsu, a supplier of solid-state electrolytes, is in the business launch phase starting in 2026, with mass production set to begin in 2030, so the supply in the 2020s will be extremely limited.
I work in public transit on electrifying heavy duty buses. I was recently at a conference and someone mentioned hybrid batteries, as in battery modules with multiple chemistries. A heavy duty bus will have up to 689 kWh total capacity in up to seven separate modules.
What if two of those modules were solid state batteries (fastest charging, higher energy density, expensive) and the rest were LFP (lower energy density, cheap, long lasting)? The solid state batteries would be for on route opportunity charging. The LFP batteries would slow charge at the depot over night when the utility rates are lower.
Add to this a [linear generator](https://spectrum.ieee.org/mainspring-energy) range extender running on biofuel and you’ve solved range anxiety in cold weather. This could also work for long range over the road coaches and trucks.
So Toyota may start selling EV’s in 6 years. Great!
Just more bullshit by Toyota to try and delay EV adoption
China will mass produce a SSB before them and do it at lower cost.
Pretty cool. Hope it works out. I find having multiple technologies on key infrastructure be beneficial
Hopefully these batteries of theirs convinces them that wasting Billions on Hydrogen Fuel cell is not a smart investment.
Why do they have to have government approval?
Better late than never
[Toyota’s press release ](https://global.toyota/jp/newsroom/corporate/41058141.html)only lists the timeline as follows: 1. PPES Toyota’s next-gen battery (performance version), 2. PPEV Toyota’s next-gen battery (performance version), and 3. Solid-state battery, all starting sequentially from 2026. It does not state that solid-state battery production will begin in 2026. In fact, at the Technical Workshop in June 2023, they mentioned that solid-state battery implementation would be from 2027 to 2028, so it’s likely the actual implementation will be in 2028.
Toyota sucks
Toyota still pushing for better hybrids. BEVs will not have much benefit from this tech even if it was available for mass production now.
Another thought is about how many battery breakthroughs have not made it into cars.
Hope these batteries make electric bikes more viable. My CE04 is a great bike but lacks range due to the smaller battery. Anything heavier would make the bike difficult to handle. So the only other way is to make batteries more efficient and energy dense.
I’d like to be excited about this news, but I’ve been holding my breath since they first announced it in 2014, and sadly, I died.