Sucks for those who bought that early thinking they’d truly get autonomous driving.
Never in a million years did i think our 2021 would get it and knew going in.
My guess is HW4 won’t get it either.
Buy a car for what it is then, not what it could be in the future.
Odedoralive
They STILL don’t know what they’ll need to actually have true, unsupervised, FSD. So nothing so far will suffice, very likely. Sensors & cameras (as well as their placements), chips, etc. Are. Not. Final.
Don’t buy assuming otherwise, but also – yes, they did promise it with pretty much every generation of vehicle they sold, and they’ll continue to make grand claims that once they solve autonomy, they’lll begin work to bring it to other vehicles…but if you’ve been paying attention, you should know by now that it’s just not going to be feasible for all or most current and past generations cars.
TheFuzzyMachine
As a hw3 owner I’ve been saying this for years. Admit it and offer FSD transfer for life for those customers.
LegoFamilyTX
HW4 probably won’t get it either, if it makes anyone feel better.
Captain_Aware4503
Honestly, without lidar and a higher mounted camera, self driving is going to be near impossible. While I love the FSD mode, I knew in 2020 when I bought mine it would never be really self driving without those two things.
Jonsnoosnooze
Before? It’s always been known as fraud.
tvish
Full Self Driving has been promised since the Model S AP2 days. Yeah it’s fraud. Especially when you consider many paid north of $10,000 for the option. The Model 3 was supposed to be THE RoboTaxi that you could shop out. Making money driving around town while you sleep or work. I sense a class action lawsuit coming. (Not being political). I believe Musk getting close to Trump is basically for air cover in case he gets sued and needs a pardon. Yeah I think it could get that bad. Introducing the RoboTaxi is basically an admission that every version of the car prior to this car will never be true Full Self Driving.
roofgram
Fear mongering. Elon and Tesla’s director of AI have said multiple times FSD will have no problem with FSD on HW3. Which is literally almost there anyways if you use it regularly.
You guys were losing your shit a month ago about not getting the latest update, but guess what? 12.5.4 was released for HW3 like they said.
Also if you use FSD you know how close it is. I’ve driven tens of thousands of miles with it over the past 2 years and it is closer than ever. I almost never disengage for safety reasons, usually it’s too slow/cautious or in the wrong lane. The progress is astounding it’s not better sensors or hardware, it’s software that brought those improvements.
These issues have nothing to do with sensors or hardware, it has the information, the neural network weights just need to make better decisions. Which it has been steadily improving over time with no indication of any hardware imposed limits. Releasing new hardware is inevitable though to reduce manufacturing costs, decrease power consumption, and thermals, but does not implicitly make existing hardware obsolete.
In AI better hardware can be a short term, short cut, but long term models trend smaller, requiring less resources. Looks at GPT-4o and mini which require a fraction of resources with better results.
Actually if you know anything about AI, the trend of the entire AI industry is toward smaller, less powerful and **smarter** models. Through techniques like better curated training data, improved algorithms, and quantization. That bodes very well for the future HW3.
All in all don’t let this FUD get to you, these media outlets need clicks, and generate their own straw man arguments to get them from you.
India_ofcw8BG
I have FSD supervised (oh the oxymoron) trial going on in one of our Teslas. The damn thing doesn’t work when it’s dark out. A lot of highways around me are unlit.
Impressive tech otherwise. I’ve experienced it for a month in February and it wasn’t great. I can see the improvements this time around. It’s no where close to being FSD though.
sziehr
Some one needs to get a successful class action and I think to break open the legality of that due to the arbitration clauses your going to need government criminal intent investigation aka fraud. This is the key, one the the agency’s has to step up and do there jobs. The lies he put on twitter for years as an officer of the company while twitter was a registered offical communication channel with the sec is absolutely insane he’s not in a cell next to Ms Holmes.
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Sucks for those who bought that early thinking they’d truly get autonomous driving.
Never in a million years did i think our 2021 would get it and knew going in.
My guess is HW4 won’t get it either.
Buy a car for what it is then, not what it could be in the future.
They STILL don’t know what they’ll need to actually have true, unsupervised, FSD. So nothing so far will suffice, very likely. Sensors & cameras (as well as their placements), chips, etc. Are. Not. Final.
Don’t buy assuming otherwise, but also – yes, they did promise it with pretty much every generation of vehicle they sold, and they’ll continue to make grand claims that once they solve autonomy, they’lll begin work to bring it to other vehicles…but if you’ve been paying attention, you should know by now that it’s just not going to be feasible for all or most current and past generations cars.
As a hw3 owner I’ve been saying this for years. Admit it and offer FSD transfer for life for those customers.
HW4 probably won’t get it either, if it makes anyone feel better.
Honestly, without lidar and a higher mounted camera, self driving is going to be near impossible. While I love the FSD mode, I knew in 2020 when I bought mine it would never be really self driving without those two things.
Before? It’s always been known as fraud.
Full Self Driving has been promised since the Model S AP2 days. Yeah it’s fraud. Especially when you consider many paid north of $10,000 for the option. The Model 3 was supposed to be THE RoboTaxi that you could shop out. Making money driving around town while you sleep or work. I sense a class action lawsuit coming. (Not being political). I believe Musk getting close to Trump is basically for air cover in case he gets sued and needs a pardon. Yeah I think it could get that bad. Introducing the RoboTaxi is basically an admission that every version of the car prior to this car will never be true Full Self Driving.
Fear mongering. Elon and Tesla’s director of AI have said multiple times FSD will have no problem with FSD on HW3. Which is literally almost there anyways if you use it regularly.
You guys were losing your shit a month ago about not getting the latest update, but guess what? 12.5.4 was released for HW3 like they said.
Also if you use FSD you know how close it is. I’ve driven tens of thousands of miles with it over the past 2 years and it is closer than ever. I almost never disengage for safety reasons, usually it’s too slow/cautious or in the wrong lane. The progress is astounding it’s not better sensors or hardware, it’s software that brought those improvements.
These issues have nothing to do with sensors or hardware, it has the information, the neural network weights just need to make better decisions. Which it has been steadily improving over time with no indication of any hardware imposed limits. Releasing new hardware is inevitable though to reduce manufacturing costs, decrease power consumption, and thermals, but does not implicitly make existing hardware obsolete.
In AI better hardware can be a short term, short cut, but long term models trend smaller, requiring less resources. Looks at GPT-4o and mini which require a fraction of resources with better results.
Actually if you know anything about AI, the trend of the entire AI industry is toward smaller, less powerful and **smarter** models. Through techniques like better curated training data, improved algorithms, and quantization. That bodes very well for the future HW3.
All in all don’t let this FUD get to you, these media outlets need clicks, and generate their own straw man arguments to get them from you.
I have FSD supervised (oh the oxymoron) trial going on in one of our Teslas. The damn thing doesn’t work when it’s dark out. A lot of highways around me are unlit.
Impressive tech otherwise. I’ve experienced it for a month in February and it wasn’t great. I can see the improvements this time around. It’s no where close to being FSD though.
Some one needs to get a successful class action and I think to break open the legality of that due to the arbitration clauses your going to need government criminal intent investigation aka fraud. This is the key, one the the agency’s has to step up and do there jobs. The lies he put on twitter for years as an officer of the company while twitter was a registered offical communication channel with the sec is absolutely insane he’s not in a cell next to Ms Holmes.